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It is said that censorship is the strongest drive in human nature -- with sex being a weak second.

But what happens when these two primordial drives clash? Does censorship or sex win out?

Nadine Strossen is a professor emerita at New York Law School, a former president of the ACLU, and a senior fellow at ÃÛÖ­ÏãÌÒ. She is also the author of "." First released in 1995, the book was reissued this year with a new preface.

Mary Anne Franks is a law professor at George Washington University and the president and legislative and tech policy director of the Cyber Civil Rights Initiative. She is the author of "" and the forthcoming "."

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0:00 Intro

2:17 Defining pornography

7:20 Is porn protected by the First Amendment?

11:10 Revenge porn

22:05 Origins of "Defending Pornography"

25:06 Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon

29:20 Can porn be consensual?

35:02 Dworkin/MacKinnon model legislation

52:20 Porn in Canada

56:07 Is it possible to ban porn?

1:03:26 College professor's porn hobby

1:12:39 Outro